Loss and Growth with Tessa Arnold

[00:00:01] Welcome to Business Finance and Soul, my name is Shaun Enders and I'm a curious entrepreneur.

[00:00:07] I love exploring business, personal finance and consciousness.

[00:00:11] I'll jump around topics, offer my opinions, and occasionally interviewing interesting people.

[00:00:17] Looking forward to going on this journey. Let's be curious together.

[00:00:31] Welcome back to Business Finance and Soul. Today, I get to sit down with Tessa Arnold's.

[00:00:36] Tessa is the co-founder and CEO of Snapback Energy and the founder of Balance of You.

[00:00:42] She merges her background in global banking with a passion for holistic wellness.

[00:00:46] Following a transformative shift, it triggered by her late husband's passing, she founded Snapback Energy.

[00:00:52] And we're really exploring the mind body connection.

[00:00:55] With the balance of you, Tessa integrates the principles of mind, body and soul.

[00:01:00] It, you know, that connection into everyday life experiences which is exactly what I'm passionate about here at Business Finance and Soul.

[00:01:07] And, you know, I'm just so honored to have you on the show Tessa and explore everything that you bring your professional experience and where the future's taking you.

[00:01:17] Thank you so much. I am thrilled to be here and a part of the show and I guess for your audience.

[00:01:23] And absolutely. Yeah, I can't wait to share with you.

[00:01:27] Yeah, well, you know, I wanted to start with Snapback Energy.

[00:01:31] I know you've got two ventures. We'll get into both.

[00:01:34] But really with Snapback, it was, it was really interesting to me because I looked at your background and you had spent what 10 years with JP Morgan.

[00:01:44] Moving up the ranks to be a VP with them and then spent almost three years with city.

[00:01:51] So you're really entrenched in that corporate banking space and then making that pivot over into the entrepreneurial space.

[00:01:59] From what I understand, you joined your, your late husband in that venture and really have taken it and gone to another level.

[00:02:07] I wanted to talk a little bit about if you, if you could.

[00:02:12] Really wouldn't inspired Snapback in the beginning as you guys formulated that plan and then.

[00:02:18] How's it been making that transition from corporate banking over into running enterprise like this?

[00:02:25] Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's interesting had you told me 10 years ago, 15 years ago, that I would be an entrepreneur and running a supplement company and starting a secondary business with a Fibilike you lost your mind.

[00:02:37] I was very much, you know, embedded in the global commercial banking community. I had a very strong network.

[00:02:44] I loved it. It figured it was where I needed to be. It was what I was meant to be doing and I was kind of just grinding right along and doing quite well.

[00:02:53] And both companies had incredible experiences with both, you know, homegrown with JP Morgan and had.

[00:03:01] They supported me in so many ways and then was city was just an amazing experience too and it was hard.

[00:03:07] It was really hard to leave that world, but I'll tell you I was doing both simultaneously. So at the time I had my career commercial banking and two small children and married.

[00:03:17] And my husband had been in his industry and the food industry industry for some time and was looking for something else.

[00:03:25] He, you know, a veteran of a foreign war and had gotten into it and was like, there's I'm in sheen for something else. I'm looking to do something more.

[00:03:33] And he was also solution for a problem, which was the issue of balance and supporting the body in day to day life.

[00:03:41] And he was really looking in this space of energy drinks and boosts that you could give to your body through ingestion in different ways.

[00:03:50] And I said, yeah, sure, you know, go out and explore do what she needs you. I'm here to support you. So I'm supporting him as a partner.

[00:03:58] And we're moving along and I'm still in banking. And then something shifted and he continued along with it. It sort of stalled he had an idea for a drink and installed a little bit.

[00:04:08] And then, you know, fast forward and we're revisiting the idea of this and he goes, you know, want to bring you on board more is just like supporting me, but actually as part of the company and the rest of the team did too because I had that strong structure project management execution

[00:04:24] of launching products of delivering on it, you know, within my realm of commercial banking of leading teams. And they said, you know, we have the troops but would he the leader to keep us all on pace.

[00:04:36] And I was like that, I can do. I was like, I know nothing about supplements. I knew nothing about launching a business, that's your wheelhouse. But I can keep you all on tap with the best of them.

[00:04:46] So I'm pivoting and doing both at that time. I was working, you know, for the bank, just closed all activities that I was doing outside but I was wearing to hat going back and forth and else fine.

[00:04:59] You know, we tend as human beings to give a lot constantly give so much of ourselves away. You know, whether it be for work or whether it be for friendships or partnerships or, you know, with our children.

[00:05:12] And a lot of the times we don't realize what we need to do to replenish, right? All the things that we get out constantly.

[00:05:19] So it was getting a little burned up and then we were struggling. You know, we were struggling within our relationship.

[00:05:25] He was dealing with some health issues. We were dealing with some relationship problems. Still very close to each other.

[00:05:32] And then we actually went through a divorce and I'm still supporting him, you know, within the business. And we were part of it in a team and it's very family run company too. We're all family.

[00:05:42] But it was never a question of animosity or issues with that. It was more like, what do you need? How do we need to support our family? How do we do this?

[00:05:52] So we navigated through all of that and then his health was declining and he really couldn't be a part of the business at that time.

[00:06:01] So I said, well, you know, I'll be damned. I'm going to see this get off the ground. I'm going to know it become a part of it. And now I cannot give all of me into this.

[00:06:11] So I said, okay, do what you need to do, you know, I'm going to continue to run this to the best of my abilities.

[00:06:16] Learning from you and then also learning as I go because I think any entrepreneur listening or pre-entering, we're sure should know that we don't know it all when we get into this.

[00:06:25] But we know that we're fully capable of learning and growing and doing anything that we put our focus on.

[00:06:32] So yeah, we saw it. I got it off the ground. I was working towards the pattern. He saw it get launched.

[00:06:38] And then we lost him a few months after that unexpectedly. He was gone all of a sudden. And I was left in the children, you know, with our beautiful children and wondering what was I going to do.

[00:06:51] But I knew I had this company that I was going to see through and I was going to continue to do, you know, for him and his legacy but then also for the kids and for the rest of the team. And now is very ingrained in it.

[00:07:06] And it is, it's a dietary supplement that is a powerhouse for your liver and your body and it's pretty magical. And I knew I had to get this out.

[00:07:14] Continue to get it out in front of consumers. You who would try it and fall in love with it, like I did with what we created.

[00:07:21] Kind of became a lighthouse in the storm that I focused on quite a bit, you know, when the whole world felt a little chaotic and granted at the same time I was doing both jobs.

[00:07:31] But shortly after that I realized about a year after that I said, I need to go all in on this because I won't regret if I don't try.

[00:07:40] And my team was at the bank was incredibly supportive. They knew I had been working on it. I kind of asked for a more gracious and supportive, you know, group that I worked with.

[00:07:50] And they said, go for it. We'll be here. You know, which is what she wanted to share your body and out if you need to go back and you hope you don't, but you know that door is always open and I'm so critically grateful for it.

[00:08:00] Yeah, embarked on this amazing journey and I have a look back then. So yeah, wow, there's so much there because you know what you've gone through and then, you know, knowing some of the parallels, you know, in my life and now your children's life, how old were your kids when when they lost their death?

[00:08:20] So six and five. Yeah. And yeah, little so that there's really and I want to get into, you know, what you would mention you don't know what you don't know when you're starting adventure right like you need me, you need to have that naivete to some of my launch into things because if you knew it's kind of like being a parent if you knew all of it.

[00:08:45] You might not sign up for it. Right, right. Just I don't know if the if the you know, you know, exactly and the things gift it's in cancer because you don't know it's funny.

[00:09:00] I'm talking to a new mother and nothing like they don't tell you a home incredibly difficult. It is after you've had the baby and I'm like, well, I'm likely don't.

[00:09:09] I'm like, but you know, you would probably do it anyway, but at that time it's like, no, we don't want to talk about all that.

[00:09:15] I don't talk about it once you get into it and help you talk about love and then talk about it. Oh, the.

[00:09:20] I'm sorry, I'm not bringing you see on, you know, covers the forves and for you can you know, as stark you see the celebratory new that and you know this success and what people are getting and, you know.

[00:09:34] But the reality of life and the reality of business is that most of it is made in, you know, those dark moments and the the the the the self doubt and the.

[00:09:50] The constant questioning, you know, it's I think every day kind of has this texture to it of where.

[00:09:58] Sometimes you're just motivated you know where you're going and you got your North star and you're like I'm all in and then.

[00:10:04] Then very next day you're like, what am I doing? I'm in it when my head and you know, there's just this really.

[00:10:11] You know, kind of bipolar approach to life especially as a business leader or as an entrepreneur because things things can shake you.

[00:10:23] Yeah, you'll you mentioned really with with with with the passing of your, you know, late husband that that you jumped into that venture and which I I thought is really amazing.

[00:10:39] I think it's really amazing.

[00:10:41] in a space of where either you were kind of on a holistic,

[00:10:46] kind of path or you had been doing some inner work.

[00:10:52] When did that start for you to where you actually

[00:10:56] had started to do some inner work

[00:10:57] where obviously starting this supplement company

[00:11:01] can go one or two ways it's either because it's a calling

[00:11:04] or because you love the space and you,

[00:11:09] it's a crowded space, I mean, it's really,

[00:11:11] yeah, it is.

[00:11:12] It's a hard space to grow but it's an exciting space

[00:11:15] and has a lot of upside.

[00:11:17] So was it for you?

[00:11:18] Was it a bit more of a venture or did it feel like

[00:11:20] a calling that you needed to continue to take somewhere?

[00:11:23] Well, it's interesting because from neither actually,

[00:11:27] neither.

[00:11:29] I was supporting him right and I got into it

[00:11:33] from kind of left field and when I went into support him

[00:11:37] I started to learn more and more about the space.

[00:11:40] And I was like, well, this is very interesting.

[00:11:42] And then it was purposeful intention

[00:11:45] right of putting something out there for the good of many

[00:11:50] that is a product I can stand behind

[00:11:52] and I take myself so it solves something in my life.

[00:11:55] Right? And in a way, a beautiful way of being exactly what you need

[00:12:00] and nothing that you don't and not just to sell something

[00:12:03] from a consumer perspective just to get something out there.

[00:12:06] Right? There's enough of that in the world.

[00:12:09] So I needed to be very intentional this

[00:12:11] and we started to get very intentional with the product itself.

[00:12:14] And that let me, that I was already propelled on a journey

[00:12:18] inadvertently of self-reidentifying

[00:12:22] and self-actualization right and I lost my way.

[00:12:25] And I think many of us do.

[00:12:27] I think that's actually part of the journey of life

[00:12:30] and it's really a great journey of life.

[00:12:33] And the journey starts when you start to find yourself again

[00:12:36] when you start to look for who you truly are, right?

[00:12:39] So we're either here as journey.

[00:12:41] Yeah, this is part of it.

[00:12:43] We each have our own path.

[00:12:45] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:12:46] And it's the moment that you say, well, I've lost.

[00:12:48] I'm lost.

[00:12:49] I'm untaffered.

[00:12:51] I can't speak to who I am.

[00:12:53] I identity or I'm so lost in labels

[00:12:55] that I need to get out from under.

[00:12:57] I started that process because of everything

[00:12:59] that was happening in my personal life.

[00:13:01] I was in a place where it was definitely

[00:13:05] completely lost and felt alone.

[00:13:07] And I think a lot of people can probably identify

[00:13:09] with whatever they're dealing with that feeling of,

[00:13:12] you know, you just want to cry out, help

[00:13:14] and have somebody tell you what to do.

[00:13:16] Just so you know, tell me what I need to do

[00:13:19] in very simple ways that I could start

[00:13:22] to get out of whatever, you know,

[00:13:24] stuckness that I'm feeling

[00:13:26] because the things you can feel in your world

[00:13:28] that nothing in your world is working.

[00:13:29] And this was in my personal life.

[00:13:30] Everything was fine with work.

[00:13:32] You know, everything was great with the bank.

[00:13:34] This is just, and I say personal,

[00:13:36] but it was also an actualization of

[00:13:38] not being able to identify with who I was.

[00:13:41] Right?

[00:13:42] So this is all happy and simultaneously

[00:13:44] to me having a very flourishing career, right?

[00:13:47] And we can wear many different, you know, masks

[00:13:50] and put on our armor.

[00:13:51] And we walk out that door and we perform,

[00:13:54] you know, in a way that could be very fulfilling

[00:13:57] or at least feel safe, right?

[00:13:59] And then we come to our whatever safe place

[00:14:02] that we have for ourselves when we're going to follow apart.

[00:14:05] So yes, not by for me was definitely

[00:14:07] I became some rich dinner

[00:14:09] because I was also simultaneously on that journey.

[00:14:12] And so it was a calling

[00:14:14] and I said that anything that I put out

[00:14:16] would have to be aligned with what I was

[00:14:18] trying to do for myself.

[00:14:20] And in some of those ways and finding myself again,

[00:14:23] some of that was in nutrition and taking care of my body

[00:14:26] and realizing the my body connection,

[00:14:28] which would be an adjourney in itself.

[00:14:31] And that's where this beautiful,

[00:14:33] scientifically formulated patented formula came out,

[00:14:37] you know, which is nothing that's ever been seen

[00:14:40] in the market, in a sub-rouch market.

[00:14:42] I mean, there's no formula out there that's patented

[00:14:45] and scientifically formulated in such a way

[00:14:47] that it supports your liver

[00:14:49] in the way that our beautifully does.

[00:14:52] That's really quite inspirational story

[00:14:57] because I think you highlight a strong sense of resilience

[00:15:02] and I think that most people, as you're saying,

[00:15:07] you can wear many masks.

[00:15:08] Most people have to wear those masks.

[00:15:11] You know, A when their parents, for their kids,

[00:15:14] you know, you're trying to put on a very scenic performance

[00:15:18] some days.

[00:15:20] You know, especially going through something very difficult

[00:15:24] like a divorce and then even more tragic,

[00:15:27] like the death of someone, you know,

[00:15:31] deared everyone.

[00:15:32] And then at the same time, you're going through that rebirth.

[00:15:37] But which I think,

[00:15:40] if you're fortunate enough in life to go through it,

[00:15:43] it's very painful but at the same time,

[00:15:45] it's very beautiful because you start to see the matrix

[00:15:50] for what it is, you know?

[00:15:52] You really get a chance to see all the things

[00:15:56] that we get caught up into that make life fun and exciting

[00:16:01] and allow time to just drip away.

[00:16:04] But I think you feel like it's sand in your,

[00:16:08] in the palm of your hand, you're really ever grasp anything fully

[00:16:13] and you're not fully embracing and living life like this.

[00:16:17] And I know, you know,

[00:16:19] I want to talk about the balance of you

[00:16:22] and also want to get into kind of the specifics of growing

[00:16:24] the company with Snapback.

[00:16:25] Some of your the challenges that you've had

[00:16:27] and also some of the victories that you've had.

[00:16:30] But you lost your father when you were 12 years old.

[00:16:34] I actually, I lost my father when I was eight.

[00:16:39] And it also in a very tragic, very sudden way.

[00:16:43] And so I think your children, my younger self,

[00:16:47] your younger self, you know?

[00:16:50] We know what that is like and how challenging that is.

[00:16:53] And then you lost your brother which 12 years.

[00:16:56] Oh, listen to it, J.

[00:16:58] I'm going to talk to your father.

[00:17:00] What has all of this taught you in terms of

[00:17:06] really planning for tomorrow?

[00:17:09] I mean when you're running for tomorrow,

[00:17:10] I mean when you're running for tomorrow,

[00:17:12] you have employees.

[00:17:14] You have to think to the future,

[00:17:16] you're creating new products.

[00:17:18] You know,

[00:17:19] you have marketing,

[00:17:21] you have budgets and all of that is very nature.

[00:17:24] You.

[00:17:25] And then you also have today.

[00:17:28] Today,

[00:17:29] the beauty of today and the

[00:17:31] great engagement of today.

[00:17:33] And you can't get lost too far in two today.

[00:17:37] Right.

[00:17:38] When you're running a company,

[00:17:39] what is this taught you?

[00:17:40] What is lost taught you and how have you

[00:17:43] integrated that into your entrepreneurial journey?

[00:17:47] Such a beautiful question.

[00:17:49] Such a great question because it's interesting because when you

[00:17:51] isolate the two,

[00:17:52] one's telling you the tomorrow is not promised.

[00:17:54] Right.

[00:17:55] I was at a basketball game and he was supposed to

[00:17:58] my father was supposed to come watch and I finished up

[00:18:00] the game and he never showed up which is not

[00:18:02] anything like him.

[00:18:03] He had been out fishing.

[00:18:04] It was winter earlier and my grandparents ended up

[00:18:07] and I'm blessed to still have them in a very close ended up

[00:18:10] showing up which was so odd and I still didn't think

[00:18:12] anything of it and he was gone.

[00:18:15] He had,

[00:18:16] it was about an accident and he was taken from us

[00:18:18] so suddenly and

[00:18:20] and I'll tell you

[00:18:22] it's interesting because how life works and you talk about

[00:18:25] that inner child when I had to deliver the news

[00:18:28] to my children that their father had passed.

[00:18:30] They run the couch and it was

[00:18:33] my daughter, my son and me,

[00:18:35] 12 year old me and I said

[00:18:37] I've got you.

[00:18:38] You know, we're going to be okay.

[00:18:40] And I did and I said to all three of them

[00:18:42] and it was a lot of healing for that 12 year old

[00:18:44] me too that I didn't necessarily have at that point

[00:18:47] or know that I needed.

[00:18:49] So it's a gift to be their mother and

[00:18:51] it's a gift to have been there for them

[00:18:53] and to be able to stay those words in such a way

[00:18:54] to have known what that felt like and be able

[00:18:58] to help them.

[00:19:00] And it's definitely been a process and then

[00:19:02] yeah, that's somebody told me 12 years to the day

[00:19:04] that I'd lose my younger brother.

[00:19:06] It was a little uncle.

[00:19:08] You know, I'd call uncle and that one

[00:19:09] not going to do that.

[00:19:10] You know, you never prepare for anything like this

[00:19:13] nor can you even given the time

[00:19:15] and that was devastating blow.

[00:19:17] And then you look to the company

[00:19:19] and you think about the idea of tomorrow

[00:19:21] what is tomorrow?

[00:19:22] It never comes.

[00:19:23] It's always coming.

[00:19:24] The only moments you have right now

[00:19:26] is today, but you can't in a business sense right?

[00:19:29] You have to.

[00:19:30] So I'm going to rephrase that and it's not so much

[00:19:33] and planning right what tomorrow looks like

[00:19:35] or what that's going to look like or what

[00:19:37] I'm going to do tomorrow with the, you know,

[00:19:39] my employees need to do tomorrow.

[00:19:41] But what I'm going to do today is have

[00:19:43] intentional action as much as I can.

[00:19:46] Right.

[00:19:47] So my actions are going to be intentional

[00:19:49] with what I do to support whatever that future

[00:19:51] self can be.

[00:19:52] Right.

[00:19:53] And that's difficult because we're constantly

[00:19:55] moving, we're constantly going, you know,

[00:19:57] there's no pause in that.

[00:19:59] But there is pause in the moment between

[00:20:01] I take an action.

[00:20:02] I say a word.

[00:20:03] I give a directive to think of where's

[00:20:05] this coming from and does this support

[00:20:07] intentionally where I'm going to be going with

[00:20:09] this.

[00:20:10] And it's a balance too, right?

[00:20:12] So in the amount of time that I spend

[00:20:14] with the businesses and in the amount of

[00:20:16] time that I spend with the people that I love

[00:20:18] in my life,

[00:20:19] it's very much intentional as well.

[00:20:22] Right.

[00:20:23] So the business is and that's part of my

[00:20:26] brand, right?

[00:20:27] So my brand is crush day on tomorrow

[00:20:29] two steps to a balance life.

[00:20:31] The balance of you, you know,

[00:20:34] that's a commonality that you're going to find

[00:20:36] that wasn't planned.

[00:20:37] I didn't plan.

[00:20:38] I literally just thought that for the first time.

[00:20:40] The fact that those two companies have so much

[00:20:43] correlated between the energies

[00:20:45] because this is what's so important to me right now.

[00:20:48] That I want to at the end of all this,

[00:20:50] know that I've lived, you know, as an agent

[00:20:53] over my life, that I've lived life life

[00:20:55] has a lived me and that I've been intentional

[00:20:57] in the time that I've spent here

[00:20:59] and given back to the people that I love.

[00:21:02] Yeah.

[00:21:03] That's beautiful and it,

[00:21:05] that is very well said and I think that

[00:21:08] it,

[00:21:09] it allows

[00:21:11] and gives permission

[00:21:14] for so many of us that are in that space of

[00:21:20] just the anxiety of the future,

[00:21:22] the uncertainty of the future.

[00:21:24] This is normal,

[00:21:25] the human experience.

[00:21:27] It would actually be quite boring

[00:21:28] if we knew what was around the corner.

[00:21:30] Exactly.

[00:21:31] You wouldn't want to do it.

[00:21:32] You wouldn't want to play.

[00:21:33] No, exactly.

[00:21:35] And yet we all want it.

[00:21:37] You know,

[00:21:38] I want to kind of,

[00:21:39] I want to pink around the corner

[00:21:40] and I want to know.

[00:21:42] But just so I pair for that

[00:21:44] until you get there, right?

[00:21:45] You would meet you on your path

[00:21:47] and it comes to you at the right time.

[00:21:49] So when you're feeling

[00:21:51] they invite in the angstion,

[00:21:52] yes?

[00:21:53] No, that if you're having

[00:21:54] intentional action

[00:21:56] and you're coming from a place

[00:21:58] of authenticity as what feels good

[00:22:01] and I don't mean from an ego perspective

[00:22:03] or what you felt that you should be doing.

[00:22:06] But if you're doing something

[00:22:07] and speak it from your truth,

[00:22:08] your intuition,

[00:22:09] and putting that out into the world

[00:22:11] and a business and a product and content,

[00:22:13] whatever it is,

[00:22:15] you do if you're acting from that place,

[00:22:17] it will all come into place

[00:22:19] at the time that it's meant to

[00:22:20] when you were meant to receive it, right?

[00:22:22] So we can worry all day,

[00:22:23] but you have no idea what you're worried about,

[00:22:25] right?

[00:22:26] I tell my daughter all the time

[00:22:28] that worrying is wishing for something

[00:22:30] you don't want.

[00:22:31] Hmm, yeah.

[00:22:32] Andrew and you said it,

[00:22:34] you know,

[00:22:35] you're not ready for it.

[00:22:36] You're not ready for it.

[00:22:37] If you look back five years

[00:22:39] before you really got

[00:22:43] into your both your businesses,

[00:22:47] you weren't ready for

[00:22:50] the challenges of the balance of you.

[00:22:53] You weren't ready for the messaging,

[00:22:55] you know, the embodiment.

[00:22:56] You were still living that chapter

[00:22:58] and you needed that to really play

[00:23:01] out and allow yourself

[00:23:03] the chance to catch up

[00:23:05] to where your future self

[00:23:07] would inevitably be.

[00:23:09] And I see that with our kids, right?

[00:23:11] You know, we know what their future holds

[00:23:14] in terms of the grade that they're going to go toward.

[00:23:17] But they're no longer nearly ready yet for that grade.

[00:23:20] No.

[00:23:21] And so we have some insight

[00:23:23] when we're children

[00:23:24] of the growth that we're going to go through.

[00:23:26] Right.

[00:23:27] But each one, each process

[00:23:30] is a journey in maturation

[00:23:33] and an our own acceptance

[00:23:36] and our own skills.

[00:23:39] And simply, if you think about

[00:23:41] I have a lot of flowers in a garden,

[00:23:43] you don't want your flowers to become

[00:23:45] blue and winter.

[00:23:46] They're not ready

[00:23:47] and they're not prepared for it.

[00:23:49] Nor do you have to push so hard

[00:23:51] if you have a company that's your working

[00:23:53] on right now

[00:23:54] and I know you wanted me to speak to your

[00:23:56] snap-backs evolution and growth.

[00:23:57] It was very important

[00:23:59] that it came at the right time,

[00:24:00] right?

[00:24:01] Because if the company is not prepared

[00:24:03] for the amount of energy

[00:24:05] and the growth at that point in time,

[00:24:07] it can't be successful.

[00:24:09] Allow it the time that it needs to grow.

[00:24:11] Allow you the time that you need to evolve

[00:24:13] and bloom and grow

[00:24:15] and it will come to you at the right time.

[00:24:17] Yeah, I love that.

[00:24:18] I had actually heard that

[00:24:20] and I'll translate it into

[00:24:22] people's careers also

[00:24:24] because I don't think that everybody

[00:24:25] should run a company.

[00:24:27] You know, I love Gary

[00:24:29] of Intercheque for actually just being honest

[00:24:32] and talking about, you know,

[00:24:34] sometimes the over-excitement

[00:24:40] of entrepreneurship that, you know,

[00:24:42] like we're in an era

[00:24:44] where everybody should run a company.

[00:24:45] Everybody's trying to run

[00:24:46] and it's not true,

[00:24:48] you know, not everybody should

[00:24:50] and also by the way,

[00:24:51] not everybody should be a parent.

[00:24:53] You know,

[00:24:54] we're all on different journeys

[00:24:56] and some people are awesome

[00:24:59] and some people are awesome managers

[00:25:02] and some people are just great

[00:25:04] doers, but wherever you are in your career,

[00:25:07] whether you're running a company

[00:25:08] or if you're just ascending in your own

[00:25:10] professional life.

[00:25:11] That career that business can't grow

[00:25:15] more than you grow as a person.

[00:25:18] And so you really have to do that work

[00:25:21] and like you said,

[00:25:23] you know, flowers will go through their process

[00:25:27] and bloom and spring.

[00:25:29] You know,

[00:25:31] that's because that's when they're ready

[00:25:34] and, you know, nature knows that

[00:25:37] and so the same thing per for ourselves,

[00:25:39] you know, we need to go through that process

[00:25:41] and prepare for it and be ready for it

[00:25:44] but not try to rush it.

[00:25:46] I think not being resistance of it

[00:25:49] and just lean into each day

[00:25:51] and find a lot of fun in your day

[00:25:54] but ultimately do challenging things,

[00:25:58] do things that excite you and that light you up,

[00:26:01] knowing that if this was it,

[00:26:05] right, we're actually,

[00:26:06] you were living it to the fullest

[00:26:08] but you were doing things that we're going to be set up

[00:26:10] for later also.

[00:26:11] Okay, nice.

[00:26:12] That's that's the good balance.

[00:26:14] Like I love being with my kids

[00:26:16] but at the same time I'm like,

[00:26:17] hey, I'm with them.

[00:26:19] I mean, they're world at the same time

[00:26:20] I'm going to give them some little lessons

[00:26:22] that are good for them.

[00:26:23] I'm going to give them some little lessons that they're going to be

[00:26:26] and they're going to be a teacher.

[00:26:28] I'm trying to do both being their world

[00:26:30] and set them up for a brighter tomorrow, you know?

[00:26:33] It's been aware and being an intentional action again.

[00:26:37] So just because you might not necessarily be prepared

[00:26:40] for whatever it is that you seek just now

[00:26:43] and you definitely don't want to force it

[00:26:45] because you're exactly right.

[00:26:46] You need to be ready for it as well, right?

[00:26:48] So when you reach that level

[00:26:50] you need to be ready to step up to that.

[00:26:52] And that's that beautiful synergy

[00:26:54] and that's where the magic starts to happen.

[00:26:56] But don't force it, right?

[00:26:58] And ensure that you can always take steps

[00:27:00] to start to prepare you

[00:27:02] for whatever it is that you're seeking there.

[00:27:05] And when you're with your children, I love that.

[00:27:07] You know, there's a beautiful opportunity

[00:27:09] to just start to teach or to share

[00:27:12] or to God, I love the word God

[00:27:14] because it will have this beautiful and eight wisdom

[00:27:18] within each one of us.

[00:27:20] And I would do with my work balance of you

[00:27:22] which is just guide you back to what you already know.

[00:27:24] So that's right.

[00:27:26] Yeah, and I have to be extra sneaky

[00:27:28] because my oldest is almost 14 years old

[00:27:31] and she is a, you know,

[00:27:34] she is a young woman

[00:27:37] who's getting her independence.

[00:27:39] Great.

[00:27:40] You know, I don't have really the wisdom

[00:27:42] in her eyes yet.

[00:27:43] So I have to figure out how to even...

[00:27:46] Wait, did they sneak it in?

[00:27:48] Yeah.

[00:27:49] It's my mental jujitsu is like...

[00:27:52] Awesome.

[00:27:53] Yeah.

[00:27:54] Yeah.

[00:27:55] My black belt right now.

[00:27:57] So I have went through the same thing

[00:27:59] with my own company that

[00:28:02] that I've run for a long time transition

[00:28:04] saffron group and there have been periods

[00:28:06] where I look at it and I'm like,

[00:28:08] I look back and I go, yeah,

[00:28:09] I wasn't ready for the next stage of growth.

[00:28:11] Like I had to get that infrastructure

[00:28:13] you know, in place to be able to support the growth.

[00:28:16] I need to be able to...

[00:28:17] You can't just throw a big engine

[00:28:19] into a car that doesn't have,

[00:28:22] you know, the chassis and the support

[00:28:26] to be able to really go down the road

[00:28:31] as at the speeds that you want it to.

[00:28:34] For you, for the balance of you,

[00:28:37] why did you feel the calling

[00:28:40] was like, at this time?

[00:28:42] What was it that sparked that?

[00:28:44] Because I know we talked about saffron

[00:28:46] but you know, with the balance of you,

[00:28:47] what was it that was like,

[00:28:48] I'm going to get some message out there.

[00:28:50] Great.

[00:28:51] It was so wonderful.

[00:28:53] I'll tell you, it was again part of my journey

[00:28:55] and I was working with snapback

[00:28:57] and getting out and I just launched

[00:28:58] the second flavor with my team.

[00:29:00] My phenomenal table.

[00:29:02] It just, yeah, we just got on the orange

[00:29:03] out there along with the grape,

[00:29:05] which was kind of our trademark flavor

[00:29:07] and I was doing.

[00:29:09] I was really digging in deep to that next level

[00:29:12] of my journey

[00:29:14] and really getting into the mind-body connection

[00:29:17] and working on myself and identifying with who

[00:29:19] I was not, not the variable or name

[00:29:21] but just what it is that I'm, you know,

[00:29:24] meant to do.

[00:29:25] And then I really started to get into my personal health

[00:29:28] and well, but good within this embodiment

[00:29:31] and I got into the Arivatic health science

[00:29:34] so, you know, the science of life is beautiful

[00:29:37] and just to try and understand

[00:29:39] and neuroplasticity

[00:29:41] and just the six pillars of health

[00:29:43] and all that great stuff

[00:29:45] and I'm starting to embody this in my life

[00:29:47] and my life's changing

[00:29:48] and I'm feeling great.

[00:29:50] My energy levels for the first time

[00:29:51] and so long, you know,

[00:29:53] are through the roof

[00:29:54] and I feel this just incredible surge

[00:29:56] of vitality

[00:29:57] and my skin's better

[00:29:59] and my health

[00:30:00] and my weight and your name

[00:30:01] and everything's coming along

[00:30:03] and I'm like, okay,

[00:30:04] this is too good not to share.

[00:30:06] This is just too good.

[00:30:08] I have to get this out there

[00:30:09] and it's not,

[00:30:10] it's a 5,000 year old body of knowledge

[00:30:12] right dating back to the Vedas

[00:30:14] and I'm like, okay, it's been out there

[00:30:15] but how did I never know about this

[00:30:17] and why are more people talking about this

[00:30:20] and even if you want to get rid

[00:30:22] of the title of Arivatic health

[00:30:24] or if you want to, you know,

[00:30:25] remove the six pillars of health

[00:30:27] this simplicity of what you do

[00:30:29] and how you guide

[00:30:31] is just everything that's available

[00:30:33] with you in your life

[00:30:35] and just being having more awareness

[00:30:37] and intention

[00:30:38] around how you go through your day

[00:30:40] and what you feature

[00:30:41] and what you, how you, you know,

[00:30:43] provide nutrition for yourself

[00:30:45] and what that looks like

[00:30:46] personally for you

[00:30:47] for your composition.

[00:30:49] And I'm going through this

[00:30:51] and I just,

[00:30:52] I wake up

[00:30:53] and I have my, you know,

[00:30:54] moment of just kind of still this

[00:30:55] and I'm thinking about it

[00:30:56] and I'm like, I gotta put this out there

[00:30:58] and how am I gonna put this out there

[00:30:59] and I was like, well,

[00:31:00] you know, there's steps

[00:31:01] that you took for a snapback

[00:31:02] why don't we follow the same steps

[00:31:04] and I was like, okay,

[00:31:05] I'm gonna put together all the structure of it.

[00:31:07] What am I gonna call this?

[00:31:08] And so I'm brainstorming

[00:31:10] and it just hits me

[00:31:11] and I'm like, okay,

[00:31:12] instillness, right?

[00:31:13] I had to practice this moments of stillness

[00:31:15] of not that constant term of being busy

[00:31:18] and I was like, well, what is it?

[00:31:20] And then I came up with

[00:31:22] balance of you

[00:31:23] and that was born

[00:31:24] and I started sort of my guiding

[00:31:26] and coaching with clients

[00:31:27] on different topics

[00:31:30] whether it be breakthrough

[00:31:31] and business sessions

[00:31:33] or walking through this six pillars of health

[00:31:35] or going through the joyous

[00:31:37] and the composition profiling.

[00:31:39] And I found

[00:31:41] that the conversations continued to grow

[00:31:43] and grow

[00:31:44] and then I was doing some events

[00:31:46] and it just, yeah,

[00:31:48] it's just been amazing

[00:31:49] to share this journey

[00:31:51] you know, as I learn and grow

[00:31:53] with everybody

[00:31:54] and guide people back

[00:31:55] to what they truly already know, right?

[00:31:57] I'm not giving you anything

[00:31:59] that you don't already have access to

[00:32:01] or don't already know.

[00:32:03] I'm just cutting you back to it

[00:32:05] in a way that you're more aware

[00:32:06] and can utilize it

[00:32:08] to really create a beautiful life for yourself

[00:32:10] from the inside out.

[00:32:12] Yeah, this is awesome.

[00:32:14] So two things that I want to touch upon

[00:32:16] because I, yes, of course

[00:32:18] it is now getting out there

[00:32:20] where people understand

[00:32:21] that you know, your gut

[00:32:22] is your second brain, right?

[00:32:23] It is.

[00:32:24] How important it is

[00:32:26] to the way you function

[00:32:28] and living with ailments

[00:32:30] is not, it does not have to be

[00:32:33] the way of life.

[00:32:34] A lot of people are with aches and pains

[00:32:36] and struggles

[00:32:37] and hate.

[00:32:39] You know, I want to get into this

[00:32:41] and really the American way

[00:32:44] which I think, you know,

[00:32:46] why we're in this space

[00:32:49] of over the next 10 years

[00:32:50] I think we're going to,

[00:32:51] we're going to really see an explosion

[00:32:53] and people understanding that

[00:32:56] yeah, we shouldn't have a country

[00:32:59] where 70% of our population

[00:33:03] is obese.

[00:33:05] Right.

[00:33:06] You know, and that's not a, you know, opinion

[00:33:09] that's a fact

[00:33:10] and if you look up

[00:33:12] really what obesity means

[00:33:14] and where that threshold lies

[00:33:16] that's where we are

[00:33:18] and there's an industry that supports,

[00:33:21] you know, the sickness of the people

[00:33:27] and so this space is really exciting.

[00:33:30] But you mentioned something from a business perspective

[00:33:33] because, you know, obviously we're all humans,

[00:33:36] my audience is human

[00:33:37] so health is number one

[00:33:40] when we talk about gratitude

[00:33:42] you take it for granted

[00:33:44] until you wake up

[00:33:46] and you've slept wrong

[00:33:48] and all of a sudden your day is ruined

[00:33:50] because you can't turn your neck all the way

[00:33:52] so I mean just think to those moments

[00:33:54] and you go, okay, yes, health is number one

[00:33:57] because if I'm healthy

[00:33:59] I can at least attack my day.

[00:34:03] But you said something in terms of business

[00:34:05] that you had to have the framework

[00:34:07] from snapback

[00:34:08] which I think is really key

[00:34:11] sometimes when people are going through

[00:34:14] that journey of, how do I do it?

[00:34:18] Well, you know, when you get the framework in life

[00:34:21] you want to hold on to that

[00:34:22] there's a blueprint

[00:34:23] and there's so many similarities

[00:34:26] and parallels between

[00:34:28] what we do in life

[00:34:29] and how we prepare for

[00:34:31] whatever venture we're going after.

[00:34:34] It doesn't mean it's exactly the same

[00:34:37] but the way that you attack a problem

[00:34:39] systematically creating that blueprint

[00:34:42] and that workflow, you know, to be able to take you

[00:34:45] from the idea

[00:34:47] to the implementation

[00:34:49] there is a formula

[00:34:51] and this is why you see such a big separation

[00:34:54] between people who do and people who don't.

[00:34:58] And it seems like you've stepped

[00:35:00] really stepped into this action now

[00:35:02] of where you're honoring that feeling

[00:35:04] of where like, hey, if you get something

[00:35:06] you now have a blueprint

[00:35:08] right?

[00:35:09] Yeah, there's only so much time

[00:35:11] that you want to dedicate to these ventures

[00:35:14] but you know what you want to go after

[00:35:16] and you want to honor that calling internally.

[00:35:20] But you touched upon the six pillars of health

[00:35:22] and I was hoping that maybe we could explore

[00:35:24] that just a little bit

[00:35:25] because as you mentioned

[00:35:27] with, you know,

[00:35:30] Ayurvedic health

[00:35:32] it really

[00:35:34] it has been around for so long

[00:35:37] the wisdom and the teachings

[00:35:39] and it's just foreign here

[00:35:41] because our society was structured differently

[00:35:44] and so

[00:35:46] it doesn't mean one's writer or runs wrong

[00:35:49] but I do believe

[00:35:50] and when we talk about holistic

[00:35:52] it just means the whole thing

[00:35:54] We should know globally

[00:35:58] how others live

[00:36:00] and it doesn't mean that we have to abandon

[00:36:02] the way that we were raised

[00:36:04] or the knowledge that we've obtained so far

[00:36:07] but we should integrate other ideas and views

[00:36:10] Other ideas

[00:36:12] and can we talk about the six pillars

[00:36:15] Definitely and I couldn't agree more

[00:36:17] there's a wealth

[00:36:19] and bodies of knowledge all over

[00:36:21] and we feel like as a culture

[00:36:23] we are accepting of reading

[00:36:26] historical information

[00:36:28] taking it in

[00:36:29] you know, it's just

[00:36:30] of our country

[00:36:32] but then I think there's such an incredible

[00:36:35] we're a young country

[00:36:37] as a chance here in the West

[00:36:39] and it's like why would we not look

[00:36:41] to older countries

[00:36:43] and why would we not look at the

[00:36:45] world?

[00:36:47] And so I think that's a great way

[00:36:48] to understand what is knowledge

[00:36:50] and ways that they've been doing things

[00:36:52] as they while there's such a richness there

[00:36:54] and it makes so much sense

[00:36:56] as predating modern medical science

[00:36:57] and when you talk about getting down

[00:36:59] to the root cause

[00:37:01] versus treating symptoms

[00:37:03] when you talk about 70% of the Americans

[00:37:04] and what they battle with

[00:37:06] and what's happening

[00:37:07] there's such an incredible

[00:37:09] overarching just need for us to treat symptoms

[00:37:12] and not to say in the medical field

[00:37:13] that's all that's going on

[00:37:14] I know many doctors who really do

[00:37:16] have conversations with their patients

[00:37:18] and get really try to drill down

[00:37:20] to the root cause

[00:37:21] and do talk about nutrition

[00:37:22] and do talk about lifestyle

[00:37:24] but I'll say it's so difficult

[00:37:26] because they're inundated

[00:37:28] with so many people coming in

[00:37:29] that they're really just trying

[00:37:30] to help everybody's best they can

[00:37:32] and it's really created

[00:37:34] this almost reactive approach

[00:37:36] to everything here

[00:37:38] if we go out to read it

[00:37:39] and it is the minor.

[00:37:41] It is the minority

[00:37:43] we have to get to that

[00:37:44] and I know how difficult that sounds

[00:37:46] and it sounds quite impossible

[00:37:48] but if each one of us starts to talk

[00:37:50] that approach if we love our body

[00:37:52] your bodies are going to love us back

[00:37:54] and what's the point of longevity

[00:37:56] if we don't have the quality of life

[00:37:57] if we can't move

[00:37:58] you know at the age of 75 or 80

[00:38:01] I have 94 year old grandparents

[00:38:03] who still live on their own drive and move around

[00:38:05] because they've taken care of themselves

[00:38:07] for as long as I can remember

[00:38:08] and they've still those in me

[00:38:10] and there's a lot of the same qualities

[00:38:12] of the six pillars of health

[00:38:14] and I can tell you my grandparents

[00:38:16] Penno idea what are you

[00:38:17] like, you know, life science was

[00:38:19] or the study of the life

[00:38:21] or the science of life

[00:38:22] no, I'm going to share that

[00:38:23] but they were like,

[00:38:24] that's what I did

[00:38:25] and I said, I know

[00:38:26] that's the beauty of it

[00:38:27] so when you talk about the six pillars

[00:38:29] and you talk about the nutrition

[00:38:31] and how you nourish your body

[00:38:33] so it can really nourish you

[00:38:36] and Taoists are taking пойдoughs

[00:38:37] and that's how you could sing

[00:38:39] through induction

[00:38:40] and all it's like, let's save, what's one tovey

[00:38:42] if you pay attention

[00:38:44] to feel happy

[00:38:46] And if you do the right thing

[00:38:47] and you need to know

[00:38:48] that this way

[00:38:49] from how you need to be

[00:38:51] I just have to go

[00:38:53] around through the research

[00:38:55] for your parents

[00:38:56] or your parents

[00:38:57] because that's not attractive

[00:39:02] because it tells you

[00:39:04] go out there and like everybody can join my class because that's going to be the

[00:39:07] problems. All your problems will know, you know, my partner gets into weightlifting

[00:39:12] and then I have others who do CrossFit and this and that and I just want you to get

[00:39:16] up and move, right? So we're moving emotions through the body so we're moving thoughts

[00:39:20] through the body. So you're moving your body in the ways that it should be moved and not

[00:39:25] saying stagnant and loving it. And then we get into sleep, which is really important too.

[00:39:30] So circadian rhythms, sleep cycles, how often we sleep and I can't stress this

[00:39:36] enough. You could tell me all day long that you get eight hours of sleep, but you

[00:39:39] still, you know, so I do that. But what is the quality of your sleep? We have to

[00:39:45] delve deeper into the quality of sleep that you're getting. What are your habits

[00:39:49] before you go to bed? What are your habits when you wake up? You know, what's in your

[00:39:54] room at night or their electronics? Blue light. There's so many different aspects

[00:39:58] to quality of sleep. So your body can really start to recharge, regroup, detox, all

[00:40:06] of those wonderful, beautiful things that it does. Right? And then we get into emotional

[00:40:11] needs. So we talk about what are the emotional health, emotional regulation, emotional

[00:40:15] needs. So there's, you know, Mazlov, you know, chart of what you need from, you

[00:40:20] know, point of survival, but there's also, you know, affection and attention and

[00:40:25] appreciation that three a's that by call them. And we talk about what that looks

[00:40:29] like emotionally and how, you know, you take care of your emotions. You feel them.

[00:40:35] You don't hide them. You don't bury them. But then also you're not controlled

[00:40:38] from emotional responses, which is the beautiful liberation in a lot of ways. Then

[00:40:44] we talk about the beautiful world of self-care and what that looks like. And I'm

[00:40:48] not talking about going to spa days. Right? I'm talking about how do you

[00:40:51] truly care for you and who are you, right? And what does that look like? So that's

[00:40:57] incredibly important. And then we talk about the big one, which I don't like to call

[00:41:02] this, but I'm just going to call it for the sake of meditation. But I will also call

[00:41:06] stillness. I will call, you know, moments that you just don't have any electronics on

[00:41:12] you that you're outside in nature walking, that you're laying on the bed. I those moments

[00:41:18] to me are some of the most beautiful moments that I have within a day. I can have them

[00:41:22] anywhere at any time. I could even just have them as I fall into the gaps between my thoughts,

[00:41:27] but then I actively practice my practice in meditation, which is not just sitting upright,

[00:41:33] sitting still in a very uncomfortable position for an hour. No, it looks very different

[00:41:38] and we go through the fundamentals of meditations. This really could be called the

[00:41:44] six pillars of life. Right, yeah. The truth is that if you embody all these areas,

[00:41:55] life's going to be beautiful. No matter which way you shape it. I mean, you look at just

[00:42:01] some of the basics in terms of sleep and I love what you said, break, I always like to find

[00:42:07] where the intersection lies between areas in our life. Because there's so many clues of

[00:42:16] where when you fix one thing, it really can be applied to so many other areas. But I think a lot

[00:42:24] times life feels very big and very difficult for a lot of people because it's kind of like

[00:42:32] a short stop fielding ground balls from like deer, something. You know, and it's like,

[00:42:37] great, it's actually really hard and they're just like not confident and things seem very random

[00:42:45] and kind of uncontrollable. But I think when you take again a proactive approach, and we're talking

[00:42:51] about it with health, I think proactive approach with health as a whole and then sleep

[00:43:02] and then meditation and all of this. It is much like personal finance in the sense that where

[00:43:11] you don't just arrive. You don't just spend all your paycheck, not saying for the future,

[00:43:17] and then expect to have a really undant future. No, you say, okay, my future self is probably

[00:43:26] going to need some cash. You know, I'm probably going to be at a point where I don't want to work

[00:43:31] or I can't work or I want to be financially independent. Whatever your journey is,

[00:43:36] you're going to have a future self hopefully. And it's just like you most likely are. So you're

[00:43:44] going to arrive there and you're past self. You're current self right now is the one that got you

[00:43:48] there and your health is the exact same way. It's like, hey, do I want to put this into my body?

[00:43:54] Do I want to consume this as small as it may be? It's not just about calories or weight gain.

[00:44:01] It's like, hey, now your future self, the joints, you know, you know, all of the triggers that

[00:44:10] happen in terms of inflammation, which turning to much bigger issues,

[00:44:16] so many, oh my gosh, I want everything. Like yeah, I'm so hard. I watched my grandparents

[00:44:22] suffer both with health issues and financial issues. And it was because they were beautiful people

[00:44:30] that lived so much in today and now you've considered their future self. And so

[00:44:38] I think there is that healthy balance and your perfect spokesperson for this to say, hey,

[00:44:43] I've experienced loss. I've had life taken away from me. I've had a future that is not guaranteed,

[00:44:55] shown right to me many times over. Yes. Um yet I don't need to yellow my health and I don't need to

[00:45:04] yellow my my finance is in my business. Like there is a way to do all of it to accept that,

[00:45:11] you know, we can live for today planned for tomorrow, um, embrace our moments and um,

[00:45:19] I love the this, this is supposed to help. I think it's it's wonderful. And I don't want people to

[00:45:25] water down meditation because I think that, no, right, the thing about it is people,

[00:45:31] there's a difference between feeling calm and feeling connected to your environment. And that's walking

[00:45:41] on the beach or sitting in a grassy field. Then if you want to up level, actually want to get answers

[00:45:48] from some other part of you. Right? I don't know where it is. We could call it our higher self or we could

[00:45:56] call it. Sure, whatever you bite into issues. In the end issue, whatever it is, you only

[00:46:02] are going to get that if you break through to the space of where you can get real still. Right.

[00:46:10] And you can find that spot where you can ask those questions and get the answers. I know

[00:46:16] completely. And then you said we already know all this, we do, but you got it. It's like having a

[00:46:22] locked. It is. You need that. And it's a beautiful thing. And I we build a meditation foundation

[00:46:30] practice because it can be so intimidating, because I think two often people try and jump right

[00:46:35] into getting that key, right? Well, again, just like we said throughout this whole conversation,

[00:46:41] you're not ready to experience that key yet. So even if you had the key or you ready to take it

[00:46:46] in an experience, which are going to find when you unlock no, so what mean it's much? So you

[00:46:51] have to take this steps. But you know, it's interesting you see that because so many people

[00:46:56] maybe listen on the phone and out in the world today or people I come across are terrified to

[00:47:00] sit still with themselves. Yeah. And we're going to talk about that first and foremost. Like

[00:47:06] you just, that's a whole big thing that we need to unpack there is that I need you to understand

[00:47:12] you first. And we need to get to the bottom of that and what you're feeling in your body.

[00:47:17] Because how often do we not check in with what's going on in our body? And I, and to the

[00:47:22] point of your beautiful grandparents, you know, it's interesting. I think there's a beautiful

[00:47:27] gift there being in the present moment. And again, we kind of turn back to you can do that.

[00:47:33] And but those actions sort of have to be an intentional to support your future yourself, right?

[00:47:38] Just like with those investments that you're setting your future self up with success. Yeah.

[00:47:43] And just like when you're with your children and using that as an opportunity to

[00:47:47] instill those little nuggets of wisdom that you hope that they're going to take the video to

[00:47:51] even realize they got, you know, it's a beautiful way to set yourself up in ways of intention.

[00:47:58] And I'd ask everybody listening to the next time you do something, Paul, at a millisecond.

[00:48:04] Does this support? You know, my future self, right? So whatever big, maybe a huge question

[00:48:09] that you're asking, a conversation with the partner, the job offer walking into the board meeting,

[00:48:14] having that donut, you know, whatever it is. I know just pause.

[00:48:19] Mill a second and does this support my future self? And then start asking yourself a little bit more.

[00:48:25] Does this support? And it's a simple question. There's no negative to it. There's no right

[00:48:30] or wrong to stop. And sometimes she might not get a response. Sometimes she might still take a bite of the

[00:48:35] donut, but I promise you, going to have a lesson left because you're going to start challenging

[00:48:41] the habits, right? The habits of just being maybe sleepwalking or autopilot or anything like that.

[00:48:47] And then you're going to start to be prepared to sit with yourself a little bit longer

[00:48:50] because you're really liking what you're feeling because you're making those better intentional

[00:48:54] choices. And then you can do a deeper into the beautiful and credible world that is meditation

[00:49:01] and start to lock those different layers of what is you and I promise you when you get down

[00:49:07] deep yes, there's a lot of work potentially to be done because yes I've been through a lot as you

[00:49:12] have in your life as we all have. You know we have all had traumatic experiences on different levels

[00:49:18] of different degrees that we have to you got to relearn from, right? We have to undo some habits and

[00:49:25] that's just what it is to be human. And we could have had a wonderful parents in a beautiful home

[00:49:31] that no laws and still have some things, you know, that we have to work from. And maybe tweak

[00:49:39] a little bit how we show up because it's not intentionally how we'd like to show up. And that just

[00:49:44] is what it is to be human. And when you start to meditate and get deeper into that,

[00:49:50] you can't stop because then you're like, okay I'm on this now, but I've agency over my life.

[00:49:56] And I'm evaluating the ways that I'm showing up. I still might not be able to change it just

[00:50:02] quite yet, but I'm aware of it. And that's a beautiful first step. And then you start to pivot

[00:50:07] a little bit more and you're like, wait I'm not going to say that's not how I want to show up today.

[00:50:11] That doesn't support my future self. And then you start to see how your life looks and

[00:50:16] your apologizing to yourself a lot left because you're intentional. And that is a beautiful thing.

[00:50:23] Yeah, that's an awesome clip that I'm going to be able to take because you know that it's

[00:50:30] profound and it's applicable. You can really apply it to your to everybody's life

[00:50:38] and you're dealing it through your businesses. And I think that the message really in whether or not

[00:50:47] you again are running a company or you're just interested in gut health or you know,

[00:50:54] really just the entire approach, holistically of your business or your own personal energy.

[00:51:05] I like to get comfortable with the uncomfortable. And I think that that's we are set up in a

[00:51:12] society really which is chasing comfort. And I like comfort too. I love that things get delivered

[00:51:21] at my door and you know it's really cool that you know if we don't want to go out for dinner or

[00:51:26] all of a sudden there's a gap there. The intershows up then you know that the things that

[00:51:34] used to like, which was going to blockbuster and now all of a sudden it's continuously streaming,

[00:51:39] you know so there's a lot of things that I like from convenience but I also understand that kind

[00:51:45] of laws me into a sense of comfort that isn't natural for humans. We grow muscles grow when

[00:51:57] they're sore because we've torn them in a healthy way if you can't stretch because it hurts,

[00:52:06] you should be stretching, you know. If you don't feel energetic and you need three cups of coffee

[00:52:16] to make it through the day that's symptomatic of something else. You know,

[00:52:22] yes and if you are looking at your sleeping you're not getting great sleep.

[00:52:28] Yeah did you consume alcohol? Did you drink coffee past a certain time for you biologically?

[00:52:34] You know like my wife can drink coffee up till about 530. And past out hard at 9 and I'm like what

[00:52:42] I'd be up all night right? Exactly. Like 2 30 p.m. is my car on it. And anything else beyond that

[00:52:50] I could feel that I didn't go deep. I'll never get a REM state you know. If I if I have anything in

[00:52:58] my system past that point. But I think that's where we're going is that you gotta look at

[00:53:04] where you are in life and see is this making me uncomfortable, meditation if I can't sit with

[00:53:10] myself. Good gosh. You know like that tells you a whole another story then.

[00:53:16] A whole lot. I mean I would ask everybody who's both saying are you comfortable with that?

[00:53:20] I'd ask everybody if you're in the car listening to this when you're finished this great podcast

[00:53:26] turn the turn everything off and I wanted to drive the rest of the way in silence.

[00:53:31] And then reached out let me know how that felt because I'll do it for hours.

[00:53:35] And I'll get I'm so you become so still in a sense where you are just

[00:53:42] thinking you're doing one thing driving. You all often do we get to do just the one thing

[00:53:47] that we're focused on doing? Because we live in a world where you can get dinner in a click of a

[00:53:53] button where you can talk to friends across the country. You can order an impulse by a

[00:53:57] media-lates at instant gratification. But it's constant we are overstimulated in our nervous system

[00:54:03] is incomplete chaos and technology has evolved far past where our brains have actually evolved

[00:54:09] so it's just hard for us to find balance and peace there. So we think we're constantly

[00:54:15] chasing happiness but we're actually constantly tracing peace. Just fullness.

[00:54:21] And I would challenge everybody that when you're done listening to whatever you're listening

[00:54:24] to the next time we go on a walk just quiet, sillness, nothing. No outside noise, no vibration,

[00:54:30] turn off your ringer for a little bit, turn off the notifications. It is it arose your nervous

[00:54:36] system into sympathetic fight flight or freeze. You were so highly charged that we have to get back

[00:54:44] to a place of homeostasis so then we can even sit with ourselves and begin a meditation practice.

[00:54:48] But once you do that you crave that so much that it's to go for our and I know it might

[00:54:54] sound crazy to a lot of people. But to go for our car drive with nothing. Yeah, but you

[00:55:00] what a gift that is and when you get out of that car and you're just like,

[00:55:04] but like what's what have you taken? I want whatever you have. I was into that and we work

[00:55:09] up to these things right? Yeah. You start with a short like you said a short, you know,

[00:55:15] hey, can you do it for a few minutes? Whatever that is, whatever that quiet time is. You know,

[00:55:20] whether it's meditating or just turning off the surrounding noise and then you'll work up to

[00:55:27] the point where you feel comfortable in your own space. Yeah, it's practice. I mean, nobody

[00:55:32] goes to the gym and you know, immediately knows all the equipment, knows what their body's

[00:55:38] capable of, knows exactly what kind of weight to put on to lift. Yeah, and he's not all a practice

[00:55:43] that takes time and to your point intentionality and desire. And then just repetition,

[00:55:50] keep showing up. You keep doing it and pretty soon you're comfortable in that space and

[00:55:56] you unlock, you get a piece of the key. Don't always get the key. We're a little bit, you know,

[00:56:01] if life is a game in the sense that I don't use game in the sense to diminish the

[00:56:09] significance of life. I use it in the sense that, you know, you can gamify life a little bit to where

[00:56:18] you feel like this journey is exciting and it's a precious. Oh, there's no Easter eggs all over the

[00:56:25] place. And so every time you get one of those Easter eggs, you get another piece of that key.

[00:56:32] And eventually you get the whole key. And you unlock the door and it's like this whole

[00:56:40] profound experience. And if you're like me, as soon as I unlock the door and I get a whole

[00:56:44] profound experience that I look down on like wait, there's like 25 more doors?

[00:56:50] They're right. But that's the beautiful challenge of it. And that's the evolution. Yeah. Being a

[00:56:56] human being in life is a practice. And we have the gift of each morning that we wake up and the

[00:57:02] option, the free will that we've been giving us human beings to choose, make choices, and decide

[00:57:09] how that day is going to turn out. And it's you know, to be, to love your own company,

[00:57:16] to love being with yourself is a beautiful gift and to seek that and to get comfortable with

[00:57:22] that through the practice of getting to know yourself and sitting with yourself is what the

[00:57:26] journey's all about because then you turn you find yourself. You know, so it's wonderful. Life

[00:57:32] is about a feeling that's very interesting. We're all very blessed to have it. And it's not without

[00:57:35] its hardships. That's what makes it. So beautiful because it's the balance. We wouldn't know the beauty

[00:57:42] of it if we didn't know the pain of it at the same time. But that just means we've lived.

[00:57:46] Well, you know, I'm one of those individuals that although I feel comfortable engaging with other

[00:57:51] people, you know, I would say that I'm also very critical of myself. And so for a long time

[00:58:02] being quiet meant that I was replaying conversations, replaying the way that I would show up,

[00:58:07] you know, having, I think a lot of us are our own worst critic. You know, just not being gentle

[00:58:14] with ourselves and giving us, you know, really credit for even being here and engaging. And so

[00:58:21] I think to your point, yeah, it isn't easy. And when you look at somebody who's already doing it,

[00:58:27] you have to really be careful not to compare because they have been on their own journey. You

[00:58:34] know, where you are right now. If I'm sitting on the sidelines as a young entrepreneur and I'm like,

[00:58:40] yeah, okay, you know, you started one company that you started another and you're a mom and

[00:58:45] you know, you had a war for career. And that can be already intimidating for somebody on the sidelines.

[00:58:52] And well, that's different than me. And I think that's why I really, it's so appreciative that

[00:58:57] you share your struggles. You share the, you know, really the texture of your life of where

[00:59:06] right things aren't always easy, but you've committed to showing up every day. You've committed to

[00:59:13] walking that journey and finding your way back home, which is our path.

[00:59:19] Absolutely of where life's purpose is and why we're, we were here and yeah, it doesn't need to be

[00:59:28] it's not going to look the same for everybody. Hopefully my kids don't have to experience the same

[00:59:34] pain that I had growing up, but they will. And their own life experience their own trauma and

[00:59:43] that's going to be their journey to get through it. And all I can do is be a good steward for them

[00:59:49] and give them the tools that when they arrive, they feel like they can handle it. And it sounds like

[00:59:53] that's how you're doing it both in your business and in your life right now. So absolutely. And I just

[00:59:59] say to anybody lifting, you know, and you, you started and insane the things that we talked about

[01:00:04] that I've done and will continue to do. I don't want there to be a false notion that it's

[01:00:10] I just know it's going to happen to you. I do it afraid right here I do with that beautiful

[01:00:14] sense of fear too because you lean into it because as we, you said so beautifully, we don't know

[01:00:19] we don't want to know. I don't know what the future holds. I hope I can't dream big it out.

[01:00:23] I hope it goes through incredible places all over but I'm not ready to know that yet.

[01:00:28] And to I have loosened up attachment to an outcome of what it's going to hold,

[01:00:33] but I know I'm going to be intentional with my action. And yes, I have desires and dreams

[01:00:38] but I don't know what they will become because I'm not attaching to any of that. I just know that

[01:00:43] I'm going to continue to put this out. But anybody listening, no, well, might not look the same.

[01:00:48] I'm human just as you. And I have the same worries and fears but I release those knowing

[01:00:54] that I'm doing exactly what it meant to be doing right now. And that's all that I can do.

[01:01:00] I love that. Well, that's why you listen to a podcast to the end. You know, because

[01:01:04] there's good stuff all the way through and tests. I really appreciate your time and you showing

[01:01:11] up and taking snapback to where the possibilities lie and where I'm excited to use the product myself.

[01:01:22] I think that you know, liver health is extremely important. I in addition to looking at

[01:01:29] the way that you integrate your whole health and your body. And then additionally just really

[01:01:37] the balance of you. I'm excited to watch that flourish and and I just want to make sure that we

[01:01:43] put out there where can people find you what channels would you like individuals to engage?

[01:01:51] Absolutely. So I would say you can reach me at Tessa at Snapback Energy or you can go to

[01:01:57] balance of you.com and email me as well. Tessa at balance of you.com. Those are going to be the best

[01:02:02] avenues. I am on all the socials. But I'll tell you, I don't check them as much. I do try and put

[01:02:08] out anything that's, you know, good that I can send out to everybody but I try and stay part from

[01:02:15] a lens of a screen as much as I can. So email me, I do check those quite often. If you have any

[01:02:21] questions but definitely go out to the websites, balance of you.com, we have our news letters that come

[01:02:25] out with any, you know, beautiful things that I come across and share with the team or any of

[01:02:31] our six pillars of health guides and tools. And then yeah, we'll keep you posted on Snapback

[01:02:36] Energy of all of our happenings and our growth there. And definitely look forward to you trying it

[01:02:42] and, you know, taking care of you. So thank you so much. Yeah, for sure. And I'll put all of these

[01:02:47] links into the show notes. Make sure that we can track you down wherever I spend a lot of time

[01:02:53] on LinkedIn because I'm with a lot of business professionals. And so we're going to even put

[01:02:59] that in there and make sure that you're trying Snapback and integrating that into your life

[01:03:07] and thanks again, Tessa. Thank you.